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Wednesday, July 18, 2007

Marco Torres at BLC

Lights, Camera, Learn: Movie-Making Made Simple and Fun


[9:24:18 AM] David Jakes says: Perth Australia are the people farthest travelers.
[9:25:11 AM] David Jakes says: Will be showing techniques for adding credibility to movie making
[9:25:40 AM] David Jakes says: What are the product goals? What are the process goals?
[9:25:57 AM] Dean Shareski added Jeff Utecht to this chat
[9:25:58 AM] David Jakes says: any decisions on the how should reflect on the what
[9:26:02 AM] David Jakes says: Hey Jeff
[9:26:26 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Hi guys
[9:26:51 AM] Dean Shareski says: Not sure you wanted it but I added you anyway
[9:26:57 AM] Jeff Utecht says: LOL
[9:26:59 AM] David Jakes says: Marco has students here, imagine that, teachers listening to students
[9:27:06 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Just means I won't get work done....again. :)
[9:27:18 AM] Dean Shareski says: multi-task man..
[9:27:26 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Are you in the same session as Barbara?
[9:27:30 AM] David Jakes says: No
[9:27:51 AM] David Jakes says: Marco telling a story about a long plane ride where he saw two guys get dr__k twice.
[9:27:56 AM] Jeff Utecht says: K...so I'm 'chatcasting' in to different sessions...just making sure.
[9:28:00 AM] Dean Shareski says: Barbara's in Darren K's.
[9:28:05 AM] David Jakes says: Sweet
[9:28:18 AM] Jeff Utecht says: I think I just found my techlearning post :)
[9:28:35 AM] David Jakes says: Kids are now introducing themselves
[9:28:41 AM] David Jakes says: Hey thats a great idea...
[9:28:41 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Who came up with the name 'chatcast' is that you Jakes?
[9:28:51 AM] Jeff Utecht says: what age?
[9:29:04 AM] David Jakes says: Yep, they're high school kids
[9:29:26 AM] David Jakes says: two females and two males
[9:29:29 AM] Dean Shareski says: They call him Torres
[9:29:46 AM] David Jakes says: they've actually graduated and are in college
[9:32:19 AM] David Jakes says: Showing an example of a flyer posted in his school, which is pretty bad
[9:32:33 AM] David Jakes says: Kids questioned the expertise of the person creating the flyer
[9:33:07 AM] Jeff Utecht says: oye...just rememberd I left my computer a/c adapter at the house...10 minutes left.
[9:33:14 AM] David Jakes says: Marco asked the student to pimp the flyer
[9:33:19 AM] David Jakes says: see ya
[9:33:26 AM] Dean Shareski says: pimp the flyer
[9:33:34 AM] David Jakes says: compare it with student product and its much better
[9:34:04 AM] David Jakes says: The professional asked how you would xerox this, kid wants to know why you would xerox it
[9:34:18 AM] David Jakes says: effective communication is about color, sound, angles, lines, etc.
[9:35:21 AM] Dean Shareski says: He doesn't teach technology....teaches communication
[9:35:23 AM] David Jakes says: Marco teaches in a school that is different, 5000 students over 300 students, over 56% of students are lost
[9:35:45 AM] David Jakes says: School closes because of local shootings, not snow
[9:36:56 AM] Dean Shareski says: creating a stage for students
[9:37:04 AM] David Jakes says: that's very nice
[9:37:09 AM] David Jakes says: I like that alot
[9:37:59 AM] David Jakes says: Marco wants to do something is different, no one in charge of multimedia (corporate America, etc.)
[9:38:28 AM] David Jakes says: Podcasting: who is in charge, first CNN,then 2 skater kids, kids have access to a studio, stage, and community
[9:39:24 AM] David Jakes says: we have a new language that can help kids
[9:39:47 AM] David Jakes says: introducing the student who made Sweatshops, done by cutting and pasting with Quicktime
[9:40:38 AM] Dean Shareski says: Always starts with why
[9:40:39 AM] David Jakes says: They still need us to help them ask Why
[9:40:55 AM] Dean Shareski says: Teachers often want skip this part...just show me how
[9:41:18 AM] Dean Shareski says: the how is the easy part...the why is tougher for most
[9:41:31 AM] David Jakes says: Marco now showing why a kid likes filmaking
[9:42:02 AM] David Jakes says: Student is talking about counter framing and balancing the shot
[9:42:15 AM] David Jakes says: Wants a message and a point in the movie
[9:42:35 AM] Dean Shareski says: most films are here
[9:42:49 AM] David Jakes says: The kid is talking about his movies and it looks like a director is being interviewed.
[9:43:13 AM] David Jakes says: How does this kid fit into a typical classroom of rows with a teacher lecturing?
[9:43:25 AM] David Jakes says: Answer: He doesn't
[9:43:34 AM] David Jakes says: Movie was from Issac.
[9:44:41 AM] Dean Shareski says: What other stages do we provide for kids other than football field and drama
[9:44:44 AM] David Jakes says: What stages do we offer kids? Don't need the football field, etc
[9:44:49 AM] Dean Shareski says: Kids need stages to get applauses
[9:45:00 AM] David Jakes says: Marco taps into kids passion...
[9:45:09 AM] David Jakes says: Issac is up now
[9:46:00 AM] Dean Shareski says: very articulate
[9:46:21 AM] David Jakes says: presentation on the screen is on visual grammar
[9:46:33 AM] David Jakes says: I can't get over how these kids are just like directors
[9:47:27 AM] David Jakes says: Ask who the audience will be when you create the story, the movie-its part of the Why mentioned earlier
[9:48:24 AM] Dean Shareski says: Shouldn't we have kids in every presentation?
[9:48:55 AM] David Jakes says: Who is the audience-we need to address that more critically in our digital storytelling work. But that assumes the work is going beyond the teacher and the refrigerator wall.
[9:49:17 AM] David Jakes says: Yes, kids should be included, they add credibility and a new window into insight.
[9:49:50 AM] Dean Shareski says: Sharp kid
[9:50:15 AM] Dean Shareski says: talks about the importance of being connected to his friends/network while he was sick
[9:50:15 AM] David Jakes says: Kid gets asked for his autograph
[9:50:31 AM] David Jakes says: when he was in the hospital after they showed his movies there
[9:51:03 AM] David Jakes says: Kid is stealing the show; exactly what Marco probably wants
[9:51:53 AM] David Jakes says: Telling his story about when his movie appeared on Disney
[9:54:00 AM] David Jakes added Cathy Nelson to this chat
[9:54:30 AM] David Jakes says: Welcome Cathy Nelson
[9:55:17 AM] David Jakes says: Cathy, one of Marco's students is talking about his movie making an illness
[9:56:30 AM] David Jakes says: Time for Marco to jump in
[9:56:54 AM] Dean Shareski says: Photos from Marcus at Flickr
[9:57:09 AM] David Jakes says: Marco back on
[9:58:29 AM] David Jakes says: After a movie, the viewer should have more questions than answers.
[9:58:52 AM] Dean Shareski says: THe best films, books, blogs, photos evoke discussion and questions
[9:59:13 AM] Cathy Nelson says: HOTS
[9:59:15 AM] David Jakes says: When doing content based movies-where is the story in the content, but get viewer to ask questions
[9:59:21 AM] Cathy Nelson says: higher order thinking skills
[9:59:38 AM] David Jakes says: Movies are all about that-how many HOTS are embedded in this process?
[9:59:53 AM] Dean Shareski says: Forgive me...HOTS?
[10:00:12 AM] David Jakes says: higher order thinking skills
[10:00:21 AM] Dean Shareski says: Duh...Asked a poet....why do you write
[10:00:34 AM] Dean Shareski says: Because I can't paing
[10:00:36 AM] David Jakes says: Have you seen the the rework of Blooms?
[10:00:38 AM] Dean Shareski says: paint
[10:00:46 AM] Dean Shareski says: I think so
[10:00:56 AM] David Jakes says: The top of the pyramid now is Create
[10:01:10 AM] David Jakes says: Now talking about cuts
[10:01:21 AM] David Jakes says: Cuts have a gramatically purpose
[10:01:56 AM] Dean Shareski says: grammar=literacy
[10:02:58 AM] David Jakes says: grammar=literacy= ____ fill in the blank
[10:03:18 AM] David Jakes says: understanding?
[10:03:22 AM] Dean Shareski says: communication
[10:03:24 AM] Cathy Nelson says: learning
[10:03:26 AM] Dean Shareski says: meaning
[10:03:30 AM] David Jakes says: nice
[10:03:48 AM] Cathy Nelson says: best way to teach grammar fr sure
[10:04:18 AM] David Jakes says: now showing examples of movies with different cuts
[10:04:29 AM] Cathy Nelson says: what is a cut--forgive me
[10:04:50 AM] David Jakes added Tim Lauer, Vinnie Vrotny to this chat
[10:04:58 AM] David Jakes says: Welcome in Tim Lauer
[10:05:04 AM] Cathy Nelson says: hi Tim L
[10:05:10 AM] David Jakes says: I'm unclear as well, Dean?
[10:05:22 AM] Tim Lauer says: Good morning from Portland...
[10:05:29 AM] David Jakes says: Cut is a scene change
[10:05:31 AM] Cathy Nelson says: good morning from sc
[10:05:37 AM] David Jakes says: Hey Tim, go Cubbies
[10:05:57 AM] Dean Shareski says: Cuts are scene changes
[10:06:04 AM] David Jakes says: Now showing a commercial, counting the cuts
[10:06:06 AM] Cathy Nelson says: yeah i learned a new term
[10:06:08 AM] Dean Shareski says: morning tim
[10:06:35 AM] David Jakes says: How does a cut translate to written grammar?
[10:06:44 AM] Cathy Nelson says: point of view?
[10:06:44 AM] David Jakes says: 27 cuts
[10:06:48 AM] David Jakes says: in that movie
[10:06:57 AM] Cathy Nelson says: paragraphs
[10:07:19 AM] Jeff Utecht says: What's the tag for BLC?
[10:07:43 AM] David Jakes says: I believe it is blc07
[10:07:46 AM] Dean Shareski says: From IMDB Cut
A change in either camera angle or placement, location, or time. "Cut" is called during filming to indicate that the current take is over. See also shot, action. A "cut" of a movie is also a complete edited version
[10:07:49 AM] Cathy Nelson says: i went to hitchhikr to subscribe to tags for this
[10:08:37 AM] David Jakes says: So do we need to be translating written terms into filmaking terms, probably already done
[10:08:47 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Sharing my screen
[10:08:48 AM] David Jakes says: what is a transition, what is a period
[10:09:25 AM] Cathy Nelson says: is jeff in Boston?
[10:09:29 AM] David Jakes says: Seattle
[10:09:39 AM] Cathy Nelson says: this is so cool
[10:09:44 AM] David Jakes says: Sweet screenshot, assuming its going into a blog post
[10:09:45 AM] David Jakes says: yes it is
[10:09:48 AM] Dean Shareski says: Had Jakes and Wes Fryer talk to my class about digital storytelling....Marco would have been a great addition as well
[10:10:05 AM] Dean Shareski says: Which reminds me...Jeff we need to talk re: next Tuesday and our wiki class
[10:10:18 AM] David Jakes says: his classes use much more video than we do, this should be a growth area for us
[10:10:33 AM] David Jakes says: Our digital storytelling is based in still frame imagery
[10:10:40 AM] Cathy Nelson says: i will be teaching one class of vid prod in the fall
[10:10:55 AM] Cathy Nelson says: news exp for this school lib
[10:11:04 AM] Jeff Utecht says: One of my goals today Dean if I can stop learning.
[10:11:12 AM] David Jakes says: Cathy, you need to definately check out Marco's stuff, we'll post his url when he gives it to us
[10:11:18 AM] Dean Shareski says: Never stop learning
[10:11:19 AM] Cathy Nelson says: thx
[10:11:28 AM] Cathy Nelson says: i have seen one video by him
[10:11:34 AM] Cathy Nelson says: him talking
[10:11:40 AM] Cathy Nelson says: sharing student vids
[10:11:43 AM] Dean Shareski says: some of it's here
[10:11:51 AM] David Jakes says: Effective movies can be very short
[10:12:28 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Is he on a mac? What software do his students use?
[10:12:31 AM] David Jakes says: yes
[10:12:36 AM] David Jakes says: probably imovie
[10:12:44 AM] Tim Lauer says: Mac... Of course he is... :)
[10:12:50 AM] David Jakes says: showing movies made in his workshop yesterday whic h are very good
[10:13:31 AM] David Jakes says: Made a movie about being stuck on the elevator...pretty funny.
[10:13:43 AM] David Jakes says: Teac her is talking about all the skills embedded in making the movie.
[10:13:47 AM] David Jakes says: How many schools do this?
[10:13:56 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Video? What's he have for a camera?
[10:14:00 AM] David Jakes says: Dont know
[10:14:10 AM] David Jakes says: www.cinedlg.com
[10:14:32 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Not many...we're getting a video mac lab for this exact reason next year. It will be sweet!
[10:14:47 AM] Cathy Nelson says: m school is pc env :(
[10:15:03 AM] David Jakes says: we need to do a project between Illinois Saskatchewan, Portland and Shanghai, and wherever Cathy is
[10:15:03 AM] Cathy Nelson says: i luv my mac (inlove)
[10:15:10 AM] Cathy Nelson says: South Carolina
[10:15:19 AM] David Jakes says: Where?
[10:15:25 AM] Cathy Nelson says: im working with middle school
[10:15:27 AM] David Jakes says: worked in the low country for two hyears
[10:15:35 AM] Cathy Nelson says: Conway, SC near Myrtle Beach
[10:15:38 AM] David Jakes says: ok
[10:15:49 AM] Jeff Utecht says: The kids did one last year as part of the horizon project. Worked really well. They learn the program on their own...darn natives!
[10:15:52 AM] Cathy Nelson says: Conway Moddle--brnad new job
[10:16:00 AM] David Jakes says: Marco's podcasts are here.
[10:16:24 AM] David Jakes says: Marco tripped
[10:16:33 AM] Cathy Nelson says: hes okay?
[10:16:39 AM] David Jakes says: Marco does 10 second projects.
[10:16:41 AM] David Jakes says: yep
[10:16:55 AM] David Jakes says: What does a 10 second project look like?
[10:16:57 AM] Cathy Nelson says: wow 10 secs is perfect for morning news prog
[10:17:01 AM] Dean Shareski says: "quick victories build will"
[10:17:15 AM] Cathy Nelson says: kid won't feel int
[10:17:23 AM] Cathy Nelson says: 10 sec piec of cake
[10:17:37 AM] Cathy Nelson says: where can we find 10 sec examples?
[10:17:41 AM] David Jakes says: what does a sequence of 10 second skill building activities look like to build will?
[10:17:56 AM] Dean Shareski says: audio more important than video
[10:18:02 AM] Cathy Nelson says: i think it will showkids 10 sec can be limiting
[10:18:03 AM] David Jakes says: Marco believes in vesting in audio
[10:18:15 AM] Cathy Nelson says: thye will demand more time
[10:18:26 AM] Cathy Nelson says: make every audio and video worth their cesonds
[10:18:28 AM] David Jakes says: Why can't people turn off cell phones!!!!!!!!!!
[10:18:33 AM] Tim Lauer says: re: 10 seconds... i think it will show kids that 10 seconds is an eternity :)
[10:18:40 AM] Dean Shareski says: short time requires synthesis of thought
[10:18:48 AM] Cathy Nelson says: hots
[10:18:59 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Turn off cell phones? Because we want to be connected!
[10:19:13 AM] David Jakes says: time and place for everything...
[10:19:23 AM] Cathy Nelson says: folks don't have thoughtful courtesy--all hones can be set to vib
[10:19:25 AM] David Jakes says: cineDL6.com
[10:19:28 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Let them ring...is shows our connectivness
[10:19:28 AM] Dean Shareski says: http://cinedelagente.com/html/muves.htm
[10:19:36 AM] Tim Lauer says: how much more distracting than some guy klanging on a keyboard :)
[10:19:37 AM] David Jakes says: Utecht rocks
[10:19:53 AM] David Jakes says: Lauer rocks
[10:19:53 AM] Dean Shareski says: Stay connected but don't annoy me
[10:20:01 AM] Dean Shareski says: Ever heard of vibrate?
[10:20:01 AM] Cathy Nelson says: thanks for that link dean
[10:20:06 AM] Jeff Utecht says: I'm waiting for one to go off in my presentation so I can make that point!
[10:20:16 AM] Tim Lauer says: i wish i had all of your cell numbers we could have a ringtone symphony
[10:20:26 AM] David Jakes says: Marco is done, thanks everyone.
[10:20:31 AM] Cathy Nelson says: my ring is ding dong
[10:20:49 AM] Tim Lauer says: let me know jeff, i'll call in :)
[10:20:51 AM] David Jakes says: Prensky is up next if anyone wants in, be back in about 10 minutes, chatcast up soon
[10:20:56 AM] Cathy Nelson says: thanks David--Awesome experience!!
[10:21:06 AM] Jeff Utecht says: Thanks guys!
[10:21:07 AM] David Jakes says: You are most welcome

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