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Wednesday, July 18, 2007

Ewan McIntosh-Is Your Public Body Public?

This is the chatcast of Ewan McIntosh's Wednesday presentation at BLC. Emphasis and italics are mine.

[12:42:54 PM] David Jakes says: Title: How Public is your Public Body?
[12:42:55 PM] Cathy Nelson says: scholarship
[12:43:09 PM] Barbara says: For BCL?
[12:43:15 PM] Cathy Nelson says: yes
[12:43:25 PM] Barbara says: I am here on Title funds
[12:43:36 PM] Cathy Nelson says: we r not title 1
[12:43:49 PM] Brian Mull has changed the chat topic to "How Public is your Public Body?"
[12:45:06 PM] David Jakes says: Here we go
[12:45:29 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan: The anti-social electrified crowd is in the back (People hooked in to power up their machines)
[12:45:42 PM] Cathy Nelson says: needing power i suppose...
[12:45:52 PM] Cathy Nelson says: where r u
[12:46:26 PM] David Jakes says: a public body may be a classroom, or a school
[12:47:37 PM] David Jakes says: Public vs. Private
[12:47:47 PM] bob sprankle says: when you introduce the word public, you also introduce private
[12:48:19 PM] bob sprankle says: i think it was... cameran diaz...
[12:48:21 PM] bob sprankle says: lol
[12:48:52 PM] David Jakes says: Now there is an Identity 2.0
[12:49:30 PM] David Jakes says: gotta love Keynote
[12:49:47 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan What are the secret spaces that you have?
[12:49:57 PM] David Jakes says: Examples: Mobile, SMS. IM
[12:49:57 PM] bob sprankle says: Secret Spaces... Mobile, SMS, IM
[12:50:13 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Neat idea ... secret conversations.
[12:50:23 PM] David Jakes says: Then there are group spaces.
[12:50:28 PM] David Jakes says: See Twitter...
[12:50:35 PM] Brian Mull says: I secret messaged Dembo. Don't love him...just a question.
[12:50:38 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Like this one ... or is a secret space until someone blogs it?
[12:50:40 PM] Carolyn Foote says: i'm here, just following
[12:50:46 PM] Carolyn Foote says: multi tasking ;)
[12:50:59 PM] bob sprankle says: Group Spaces: Bebo, Facebook, Tagged, etc.
[12:51:12 PM] David Jakes says: There are publishing spaces
[12:51:22 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Can you be friends with 160 people?
[12:51:31 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I think about the same thing.
[12:51:32 PM] David Jakes says: LiveJournal, Blogger, Flickr, Photobucket
[12:51:33 PM] bob sprankle says: Publishing Spaces: LiveJournal, Blogger, Flickr, Photobucket, etc.
[12:51:47 PM] Brian Mull says: Almost need another word
[12:51:48 PM] Carolyn Foote says: well, i'm guessing some friends are just like your colleagues at school. i work with 200 teachers
[12:51:53 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: What's a friend? Different levels/kinds of friendship?
[12:51:54 PM] Brian Mull says: phrend
[12:52:04 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Ah ... we phrends then. ;)
[12:52:10 PM] Brian Mull says: sure
[12:52:15 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: ;)
[12:52:18 PM] David Jakes says: secret space vs. group space vs. publishing space vs performing spaces vs. participation space, these are the different types of spaces we interact with.
[12:52:33 PM] bob sprankle says: Performing Spaces: can be f2f... 2nd Life,etc.
[12:52:47 PM] bob sprankle says: Participation spaces: meetings, events...
[12:52:53 PM] David Jakes says: What is your school? What kind of space is your school? How public or private is it?
[12:52:54 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Ewan has a great talent for scaling concepts.
[12:53:00 PM] bob sprankle says: Watching Spaces: TV, Theatre
[12:53:04 PM] David Jakes says: What kind of space is a chatcast?
[12:53:17 PM] Cathy Nelson says: virtual note passing space
[12:53:20 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: It has elements of all the spaces he's mentions.
[12:53:30 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan: secret space vs. group space vs. publishing space vs performing spaces vs. participation space vs. watching space (this was the complete list)
[12:53:33 PM] David Jakes says: this is cool
[12:53:34 PM] Barbara says: interesting idea that one thing can be multiple types of spaces

Again, this presentation is "Is Your Public Body Public"

[12:53:39 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Is it a multispace?
[12:53:39 PM] bob sprankle says: Can your classroom be all 6 of these?
[12:53:45 PM] bob sprankle says: Do you want it to be?
[12:53:47 PM] Brian Mull says: I remember getting caught passing the note.
[12:53:51 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Bob good questoion!
[12:53:52 PM] bob sprankle says: distraction/extension
[12:54:01 PM] Dean Shareski says: 90% of teachers would be having a heart attack right now
[12:54:04 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan is now asking "How implicit or explicit is your digital life?"
[12:54:06 PM] Cathy Nelson says: mulitfaceted
[12:54:31 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Dean yeah, but how many kids would be? How can this be leveraged to their learning advantage?
[12:54:38 PM] Brian Mull says: Absolutely Dean. But what if they looked at the whole conversation after. Do you think they would see the value?
[12:54:54 PM] Cathy Nelson says: dbl edged sword
[12:55:03 PM] Cathy Nelson says: as with most things...
[12:55:16 PM] Barbara says: it depends on whether they are engaged in learning
[12:55:59 PM] bob sprankle says: brilliant...
[12:56:00 PM] Cathy Nelson says: example student somewhere suspended for a semester for having a bad idea for an avatar
[12:56:17 PM] Cathy Nelson says: it didn't matter what the content of his myspace was
[12:56:26 PM] Cathy Nelson says: or that it didn't happen at school
[12:56:42 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan is asking about things I love, things I don't love, he is asking everyone to do that and write that out. Giving 60 seconds.
[12:56:54 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: 40 sec left
[12:56:58 PM] Cathy Nelson says: don't luve=---red tape
[12:57:26 PM] Brian Mull says: agghhhhh
[12:58:14 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ohh-hi Joyce
[12:58:57 PM] David Jakes says: woman in the audience reads her lists, Ian asks how much we know about her, what was implicitly stated in her explicit descriptions? How do we judge her on her explicit descriptions?
[12:59:00 PM] Joyce Valenza says: hi cathy!
[12:59:06 PM] bob sprankle says: heck of a lot we DON'T include
[12:59:07 PM] Joyce Valenza says: should we better tag ourselves?
[12:59:17 PM] David Jakes says: How implicit or explicit is your classroom? Your school? Your organization? What do they know about your classroom, school? How much is judged implicitly?
[12:59:19 PM] Joyce Valenza says: because we are miscellaneous.
[12:59:28 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Bob yeah! I was slow with facebook because of that.
[1:00:00 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: My classroom has glass walls but tha'ts my professional life and my profession is one that I think should be transparent.
[1:00:06 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: My personal life is different.
[1:00:10 PM] David Jakes says: Will you allow unmoderated comments? Blog about anything? How implicit or explicit are your actions?
[1:00:22 PM] Cathy Nelson says: no way unmoderated
[1:00:25 PM] Cathy Nelson says: risky
[1:00:27 PM] Jeff Utecht says: We allow students to blog about anything
[1:00:36 PM] Jeff Utecht says: unmoderated
[1:00:39 PM] Cathy Nelson says: South Carolina is very conservative
[1:00:45 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i like my job
[1:01:16 PM] Joyce Valenza says: love the way he teaches!
[1:01:29 PM] David Jakes says: this is very elegant
[1:01:37 PM] Cathy Nelson says: wuz that on the big screen?
[1:01:37 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Yes to unmoderated comments, blog subjects are limited to a certain focus.
[1:01:38 PM] bob sprankle says: yes
[1:01:42 PM] Jeff Utecht says: Promised wife I'd leave coffee shop at 11. Time to go :( thank you all for the learning....later
[1:01:58 PM] bob sprankle says: by jeff!
[1:02:01 PM] Cathy Nelson says: wow
[1:02:02 PM] Joyce Valenza says: by jeff
[1:02:20 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i did that to Alan N when he was in Sc last spring
[1:02:33 PM] Cathy Nelson says: he accepted, next thing you know my big head ison the screen
[1:02:34 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Cheers Jeff
[1:02:37 PM] Cathy Nelson says: embarassing
[1:03:32 PM] David Jakes says: A new technologies research practioner-thats how he describes himself
[1:03:55 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan is asking: How do you make explicit to other people the things you learn here?
[1:03:58 PM] bob sprankle says: how do you make explicit to people that weren't here, what you were feeling here
[1:04:15 PM] Cathy Nelson says: especially when only there virtually...
[1:04:35 PM] Joyce Valenza says: i want a cow in our playground!
[1:04:40 PM] Brian Mull says: emoticons! (rofl)
[1:04:49 PM] bob sprankle says: lol
[1:04:51 PM] David Jakes says: would love to hear your perspectives Cathy on participating in this (Cathy is participating from South Carolina).
[1:05:01 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I just leerned where Robbie Jones lives. Cool!
[1:05:03 PM] Cathy Nelson says: its wonderful, but painful
[1:05:07 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i am so jealous
[1:05:10 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i knew i would be
[1:05:27 PM] bob sprankle says: lucky!
[1:05:28 PM] Cathy Nelson says: but alas its the conversations that make it lasting
[1:05:30 PM] bob sprankle says: formative
[1:05:43 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i have a bookmark folder just for links from blc that are posted
[1:06:03 PM] Cathy Nelson says: during the break at one time i was playing all torres video links
[1:06:09 PM] Cathy Nelson says: woke up the 17yo
[1:06:16 PM] David Jakes says: 20-the appox. number of teachers and managers sharing their idea, experienes and resources online 2005-06
[1:07:15 PM] David Jakes says: Now its 350 teachers online sharing what they did in their classrooms
[1:07:19 PM] bob sprankle says: incredible
[1:07:49 PM] David Jakes says: 800 the number of students, teachers, and admins sharing what they were doing, total (he will explain how they did this on Thursday)
[1:07:59 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: That's 3.5% and 8%. from 0.2%. Tremendous growth but still a long way to go.
[1:08:03 PM] Joyce Valenza says: five things to think about public vs. private:
[1:08:16 PM] Joyce Valenza says: viral success cannot be planned

5 steps on making your public body public:

[1:08:18 PM] David Jakes says: 1. Viral success cannot be planned
[1:08:20 PM] Dean Shareski says: Stephen Downes once told me..."my life is an open book"
[1:09:17 PM] Cathy Nelson says: how do i make my mac desktop stay brght?
[1:09:26 PM] Cathy Nelson says: inactivity makes it lose a lumen or two
[1:09:31 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Keep typing. ;)
[1:09:38 PM] bob sprankle says: the pepsi challenge... it was everywhere...
[1:09:44 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: or move the mouse.
[1:09:48 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ok
[1:10:00 PM] Barbara says: Concept being explained is thin slicing
[1:10:24 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ooftopic--the tide stick really works
[1:10:36 PM] Brian Mull says: Anyone ever tour the coke museum and sample the coke products from around the world?
[1:10:38 PM] David Jakes says: small amount of pepsi good, too much Pepsi too sweet
[1:10:51 PM] bob sprankle says: vodka challenge
[1:10:55 PM] Brian Mull says: lol
[1:11:17 PM] David Jakes says: this is getting posted online, congrats Bob-do you want me to edit that out?
[1:11:22 PM] Cathy Nelson says: too much of anything can be bad
[1:11:34 PM] bob sprankle says: sure... lol
[1:12:01 PM] bob sprankle says: i din't say it... ewan did!
[1:12:12 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: http://www.dumblittleman.com/2006/12/go-ahead-drink-coke.html
[1:12:18 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Then see of you still like coke. ;)
[1:12:21 PM] Barbara says: Okay help me what is thin slicing
[1:12:39 PM] David Jakes says: small amounts are good, large amounts no so
[1:12:50 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://thebassplayersblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/benefits-of-school-20.html
[1:12:52 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: The pepsi example is thin slicing work is wee bits.
[1:13:32 PM] Cathy Nelson says: OMG Darren what a site!
[1:13:55 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: It's quite an article. John Evans shared it with me.
[1:13:59 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan asks: Do you have room for serendipity?
[1:14:02 PM] Barbara says: I like the question ..Are you allowed and able to fail?
[1:14:10 PM] David Jakes says: Are you allowed to fail and make mistakes?
[1:14:10 PM] bob sprankle says: no formal assessment until child is 16! yes!
[1:14:13 PM] Brian Mull says: Wow
[1:14:17 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Mistakes are the most important part of learning.
[1:14:20 PM] Cathy Nelson says: hmm
[1:14:19 PM] bob sprankle says: do you allow people to make mistakes?
[1:14:31 PM] Brian Mull says: What do they do on Fridays then?
[1:14:34 PM] Cathy Nelson says: it is why students should be involved in rubrics
[1:14:36 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Essential to learning as a matter of fact.
[1:14:41 PM] David Jakes says: How do kids learn today? By failing first...turn on the game and play it, failure is an incredilbly important learning tool
[1:14:46 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Essetial=essential
[1:14:51 PM] Cathy Nelson says: and an incentive
[1:14:56 PM] Joyce Valenza says: mistakes are the most important things you can make
[1:15:04 PM] David Jakes says: Do we have kids assess their failures?
[1:15:09 PM] Cathy Nelson says: its why video games are addictive too
[1:15:38 PM] Barbara says: yes Cathy... incentive in a game is often knowing eventually you will/can succeed
[1:15:44 PM] Cathy Nelson says: failures are us exploring and expanding our comfort zones
[1:15:51 PM] David Jakes says: Sophomores in our schools don't even remember Michael Jordan playing for the Bulls-that's sick.
[1:16:12 PM] bob sprankle says: that movie... meet the robinson... celebrates failure... for kids. nice message
[1:16:51 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan asks: Kids born in 2001 are now entering our school system. What truly does that mean for us?
[1:17:13 PM] Barbara says: 2001 marks the start of online publishing
[1:17:15 PM] Cathy Nelson says: we can't possibly prepare them for any specific jobs of their future
[1:17:25 PM] Cathy Nelson says: so we foucs on just learning how to learn
[1:18:21 PM] David Jakes says: I want that video (video link is below-video of a student playing a song)
[1:18:28 PM] David Jakes says: compkid.co.nr
[1:18:29 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: me too.
[1:18:39 PM] bob sprankle says: compkid.co.nr
[1:19:27 PM] David Jakes says: speedstacks.com
[1:20:29 PM] David Jakes says: bob gets thrown under bus
[1:20:51 PM] David Jakes says: video of world record cup stacking
[1:21:21 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K_M9likRrQ
[1:21:40 PM] David Jakes says: @Cathy: absolutely
[1:21:57 PM] Cathy Nelson says: was the video about Marijuan?
[1:22:11 PM] Cathy Nelson says: the compkid one?
[1:22:27 PM] David Jakes says: no
[1:22:36 PM] David Jakes says: it was about a kid playing a song on the guitar
[1:22:39 PM] Cathy Nelson says: its the one on that homepage now
[1:22:50 PM] David Jakes says: yea, its not that one
[1:22:56 PM] Cathy Nelson says: but it was a good PS announcement--i get the effect anyway
[1:23:55 PM] Dean Shareski says: cupstacking.com
[1:23:57 PM] David Jakes says: Do comments at Google represent formative assessment?
[1:23:58 PM] Barbara says: Formative assessment by google..
[1:24:00 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ohy was that real time cup stacking?
[1:24:10 PM] David Jakes says: yes
[1:24:23 PM] Cathy Nelson says: for smeone's standards anyway
[1:24:52 PM] David Jakes says: I want that for my Twitter account
[1:25:18 PM] David Jakes added Cheri Toledo to this chat
[1:25:35 PM] David Jakes says: Welcome to Cheri Toledo from the Great State of Illinois
[1:25:37 PM] Dean Shareski says: what was the teacher's role in the learning? Holy!
[1:25:48 PM] Brian Mull says: Also creativity, dedication, perseverence
[1:25:54 PM] Dean Shareski says: Can you say JACKSQUAT!
[1:26:09 PM] Cathy Nelson says: lol
[1:26:14 PM] Cathy Nelson says: hadn't head that in a while
[1:26:28 PM] Barbara says: w/positive experience attainment takes care of itself
[1:26:40 PM] Cathy Nelson says: true
[1:26:51 PM] Barbara says: ememrging technologies making the biggest impact
[1:27:06 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Reminiscent of John Seely Brown talking about "exploring the edge."
[1:27:14 PM] David Jakes says: as opposed to the whiteboard that was in the clasroom for 5 years
[1:27:36 PM] bob sprankle says: emerging practices
[1:27:49 PM] Barbara says: Change makes people better at what they do
[1:27:50 PM] bob sprankle says: the more you change, the better you become
[1:27:53 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: The more you change the better you become at what you do: amen.
[1:28:04 PM] David Jakes says: wow, what a cool statement
[1:28:06 PM] Cathy Nelson says: but mudt be willing to adapt and change
[1:28:09 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: amplyfied by sharing
[1:28:19 PM] David Jakes says: how much does the network promote this?
[1:28:25 PM] Cathy Nelson says: how to spread that gospel?
[1:28:40 PM] David Jakes says: Second Point: Don't make your people take the 5th Amendment
[1:29:03 PM] Dean Shareski says: shut your twitterhole!
[1:29:05 PM] David Jakes says: Have your say!
[1:29:14 PM] bob sprankle says: don't make a fool of yourself... don't speak...
[1:29:40 PM] David Jakes says: Shareski's last two comments were about Jacksquat and Twitterhole
[1:29:57 PM] Brian Mull says: That's an edit
[1:30:06 PM] David Jakes says: yep
[1:30:07 PM] bob sprankle says: the minute you introduce any condition on how people can publish their work, most won't do it
[1:30:07 PM] Dean Shareski says: Hey it's public
[1:30:13 PM] David Jakes says: ok
[1:30:14 PM] Cathy Nelson says: its a "cut"
[1:30:32 PM] David Jakes says: what is said in the chatcast stays in the chatcast
[1:30:43 PM] David Jakes says: or not
[1:30:52 PM] Dean Shareski says: my life's an open book...sort of
[1:30:55 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i thought we had to agree to possible poblication to join?
[1:31:13 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @David comes back to what kind of a space is a chatcast. ;)
[1:31:16 PM] David Jakes says: He is showing guidelines for self publishing, anyone have anything like that in their organization?
[1:31:33 PM] David Jakes says: @darren, nicely done
[1:31:53 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan is showing one on a wiki
[1:31:58 PM] Cathy Nelson says: address?
[1:32:06 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://edubuzz.pbwiki.com (Be sure to see this)
[1:32:11 PM] Cathy Nelson says: thx
[1:32:13 PM] David Jakes says: thanks
[1:32:14 PM] Barbara says: edubuzz.pbwiki.com/socialmediastaff (Be sure to see this)
[1:32:24 PM] Brian Mull says: hard to see it in the back with the power hogs
[1:32:32 PM] Cathy Nelson says: lol
[1:33:15 PM] David Jakes says: He is suggesting copying this and placing it in your own wiki and have your people mash it up.
[1:33:33 PM] David Jakes says: Point 3: Blogs are conversations, so converse!
[1:31:41 PM] bob sprankle says: edubuzz.org... wiki owned by the people
[1:35:31 PM] Brian Mull says: Ewan and i discussed this yesterday. It's the problem with large US school. Do the teachers really know the kids?
[1:36:18 PM] David Jakes says: We need teachers who are will to know kids in mulitple dimensions, attend a play, a game, etc. Our teachers go home at 330
[1:36:19 PM] Barbara says: wirearchy is messy
[1:36:30 PM] David Jakes says: will=willing
[1:36:48 PM] Dean Shareski says: I need the podcast for this! Good thing Bob Sprankle's here....wirearchy in action
[1:36:57 PM] Cathy Nelson says: sorry bout that dave
[1:37:07 PM] David Jakes says: This one will require pondering, I agree Dean
[1:37:16 PM] Brian Mull says: @David At my old schools, teachers were required to go to a given number of student athletic events, concerts, or something like that per month.
[1:38:14 PM] David Jakes says: You can set up Technorati to watch what people are saying about you and other people you are interested in
[1:38:50 PM] David Jakes says: Point 4: Its not patronizing to patronize.
[1:39:44 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://edubuzz.org/blogs/donsblog
Running out of time...
[1:39:44 PM] David Jakes says: Point 5: Don't do a me-too.
[1:40:07 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan says: Getting on vs. getting egg on your face
[1:40:15 PM] David Jakes says: nice slides
[1:40:41 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan: What do you really want?
[1:40:52 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan: Why do you want everyone to do that?
[1:43:13 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i make technorati but im not impressed
[1:43:19 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Ewan is BRILLIANT.
[1:43:24 PM] David Jakes says: Scary good
[1:43:25 PM] Cathy Nelson says: plus i have a fairly commmon name
[1:43:38 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ewan is a fave of mine
[1:43:55 PM] David Jakes says: Resist making the implicit more explicit than it needs to be
[1:44:03 PM] bob sprankle says: he is a genius
[1:44:05 PM] bob sprankle says: agreed
[1:44:51 PM] David Jakes says: He is suggesting a very connected social public body
[1:45:10 PM] David Jakes says: We all know how important this is but how to amplify this and pull more people in?
[1:45:12 PM] Dean Shareski says: EWan once did an impromptu skype video session from a pub while I was doing a session with teachers....he's very public
[1:45:40 PM] Cathy Nelson says: a real risk taker
[1:45:43 PM] David Jakes says: Wow
[1:45:45 PM] bob sprankle says: wow
[1:45:45 PM] Brian Mull says: Awesome
[1:45:46 PM] Cathy Nelson says: a pub???
[1:45:51 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Let's go for a beer.
[1:45:54 PM] David Jakes says: Thanks everyone
[1:45:59 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Cheers!
[1:46:00 PM] Dean Shareski says: that was worth the conference
[1:46:06 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Yup.
[1:46:10 PM] Cathy Nelson says: what's next? or is that it today
[1:46:31 PM] Cathy Nelson says: other than the f2f im sure youll have lots of
[1:46:38 PM] David Jakes says: Thats it Cathy, except for the conversations and the trip tonight to Quincy Market
[1:46:56 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: off to finish my presentations.
[1:46:58 PM] Cathy Nelson says: post your agenda for tomorrow plse
[1:47:02 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Byte.
[1:47:05 PM] Cathy Nelson says: and thanks for letting me in
[1:47:13 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: byte=bye. ;)
[1:47:16 PM] David Jakes says: sure, its on my blog but I need to make some changes

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